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		<title>By: C&#124;Net NewsBlog &#187; 'Second Life' takes tough stance on taboos</title>
		<link>http://blog.rebang.com/?p=1290&#038;cpage=1#comment-5003</link>
		<dc:creator>C&#124;Net NewsBlog &#187; 'Second Life' takes tough stance on taboos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Jun 2007 23:09:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Second Life has come under fire for some taboo sexual behavior among residents of the online world. Now maker Linden Lab is trying to [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Raph&#8217;s Website &#187; The boundaries of user created content</title>
		<link>http://blog.rebang.com/?p=1290&#038;cpage=1#comment-5002</link>
		<dc:creator>Raph&#8217;s Website &#187; The boundaries of user created content</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Jun 2007 21:20:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Much of the debate has of course centered on the question of what &#8220;broadly offensive content&#8221; means, and whether SL is abdicating its desire to be the 3d Internet by embracing censorship, and so on. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Much of the debate has of course centered on the question of what &#8220;broadly offensive content&#8221; means, and whether SL is abdicating its desire to be the 3d Internet by embracing censorship, and so on. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: csven</title>
		<link>http://blog.rebang.com/?p=1290&#038;cpage=1#comment-5001</link>
		<dc:creator>csven</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Jun 2007 20:41:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Entirely agree, Ordinal. Thanks. Couldn&#039;t have said that better.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Entirely agree, Ordinal. Thanks. Couldn&#8217;t have said that better.</p>
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		<title>By: Ordinal Malaprop</title>
		<link>http://blog.rebang.com/?p=1290&#038;cpage=1#comment-5000</link>
		<dc:creator>Ordinal Malaprop</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Jun 2007 20:38:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just find it quite comic that LL - which can&#039;t cope with the volume of existing ARs as it is - is trying to pretend that it would be able to prevent not just illegal content but also legal-but-unpleasant stuff, with the only resident allies being prurient and/or score-settling content-ARers, who will make sure that they end up with a million times as many legally-problematic cases than they otherwise would have.

It may be all a big pre-emptive show but it will fall apart the moment some journalist actually _tries_ to find filth. Instead of this nonsense they should be preparing a case that they are not Club Penguin, do not have a stated responsibility to censor content to &quot;protect&quot; anyone and, yes, sometimes adults will do things which may seem repulsive but are perfectly legal. Every announcement like this makes common carrier status harder for them to claim and it is only that which will save them in the end (unless they lock down content creation which basically means bye-bye grid).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just find it quite comic that LL &#8211; which can&#8217;t cope with the volume of existing ARs as it is &#8211; is trying to pretend that it would be able to prevent not just illegal content but also legal-but-unpleasant stuff, with the only resident allies being prurient and/or score-settling content-ARers, who will make sure that they end up with a million times as many legally-problematic cases than they otherwise would have.</p>
<p>It may be all a big pre-emptive show but it will fall apart the moment some journalist actually _tries_ to find filth. Instead of this nonsense they should be preparing a case that they are not Club Penguin, do not have a stated responsibility to censor content to &#8220;protect&#8221; anyone and, yes, sometimes adults will do things which may seem repulsive but are perfectly legal. Every announcement like this makes common carrier status harder for them to claim and it is only that which will save them in the end (unless they lock down content creation which basically means bye-bye grid).</p>
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		<title>By: csven</title>
		<link>http://blog.rebang.com/?p=1290&#038;cpage=1#comment-4999</link>
		<dc:creator>csven</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Jun 2007 17:10:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Though I&#039;ve previously posted on the official Linden blog and was relatively early to the scene, for some reason my comment there was censored. Included in my very polite response was one word that probably didn&#039;t go over well: &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.opencroquet.org&quot;&gt;Croquet&lt;/a&gt;.

Now more than ever it&#039;s apparent to me that it&#039;s the most likely path to a 3D internet {which reminds me that I need to go re-read a post I saw yesterday regarding it and Google Gears}.

btw, here&#039;s a thought: Sound/voice censorship. There&#039;s a case going on right now involving a blind man buying &quot;pornographic&quot; sound clips on the internet.

Second Life is, as everyone knows by now, getting voice.

I&#039;d say there&#039;s still more room for expressive suppression - real &lt;em&gt;or&lt;/em&gt; implied.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Though I&#8217;ve previously posted on the official Linden blog and was relatively early to the scene, for some reason my comment there was censored. Included in my very polite response was one word that probably didn&#8217;t go over well: <a href="http://www.opencroquet.org">Croquet</a>.</p>
<p>Now more than ever it&#8217;s apparent to me that it&#8217;s the most likely path to a 3D internet {which reminds me that I need to go re-read a post I saw yesterday regarding it and Google Gears}.</p>
<p>btw, here&#8217;s a thought: Sound/voice censorship. There&#8217;s a case going on right now involving a blind man buying &#8220;pornographic&#8221; sound clips on the internet.</p>
<p>Second Life is, as everyone knows by now, getting voice.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d say there&#8217;s still more room for expressive suppression &#8211; real <em>or</em> implied.</p>
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		<title>By: Luciftias</title>
		<link>http://blog.rebang.com/?p=1290&#038;cpage=1#comment-4998</link>
		<dc:creator>Luciftias</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Jun 2007 16:58:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>SL is just going to offer one channel in a 3D internet.  I&#039;m not sure a (now profitable) corporation is congenitally able to do what needs to be done to become the defacto standard, namely, open source everything.  I think full open sourcing would require that SL fail to become a viable business, a la Netscape.

It was easy for LL to talk about open sourcing the server code when they weren&#039;t turning a monthly profit.  Now that  they are, I&#039;m sure there is significant pressure from some investors to rethink that strategy.

As for censorship by LL, that&#039;s a really badly written post on their blog.  I have no idea how to interpret it, especially in light of their soon to be implemented policy to flag adult content.  I&#039;m beginning to suspect the vagary with respect to what constitutes acceptable content is a feature and not a bug.  The policy may itself be vaporware designed to scare off the worst offenders and keep borderline SL users looking over their shoulder.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>SL is just going to offer one channel in a 3D internet.  I&#8217;m not sure a (now profitable) corporation is congenitally able to do what needs to be done to become the defacto standard, namely, open source everything.  I think full open sourcing would require that SL fail to become a viable business, a la Netscape.</p>
<p>It was easy for LL to talk about open sourcing the server code when they weren&#8217;t turning a monthly profit.  Now that  they are, I&#8217;m sure there is significant pressure from some investors to rethink that strategy.</p>
<p>As for censorship by LL, that&#8217;s a really badly written post on their blog.  I have no idea how to interpret it, especially in light of their soon to be implemented policy to flag adult content.  I&#8217;m beginning to suspect the vagary with respect to what constitutes acceptable content is a feature and not a bug.  The policy may itself be vaporware designed to scare off the worst offenders and keep borderline SL users looking over their shoulder.</p>
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		<title>By: csven</title>
		<link>http://blog.rebang.com/?p=1290&#038;cpage=1#comment-4997</link>
		<dc:creator>csven</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Jun 2007 15:23:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m with you. And it&#039;s not like I don&#039;t understand the difficult situation Linden Lab is in. But after reading stuff like this piece from  &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.informationweek.com/blog/main/archives/2007/05/linden_lab_ceo.html&quot;&gt;Information Week (Link)&lt;/a&gt;, I can&#039;t help but wonder if they have their act together:

&lt;blockquote&gt;Does that extend to authoritarian regimes, I wondered. Second Life is an international service, with more than half of its users outside the United States. &lt;strong&gt;Would Linden Lab cooperate with an official directive from, for example, China, ordering the company to turn over information on residents who&#039;d used Second Life for dissident action?&lt;/strong&gt;

It&#039;s a decision Linden Lab will inevitably face if it achieves the kind of global penetration that it hopes to get.

Faced with the same decision, Yahoo decided to cooperate with China. U.S. lawmakers took Google, Yahoo, Cisco Systems, and Microsoft to task last year for complicity in aiding Chinese repression.

I asked what Linden Lab would do in that situation, and Rosedale thought about the question for a long time.

&quot;&lt;strong&gt;Honestly, I don&#039;t have an answer to that&lt;/strong&gt;,&quot; he said.&lt;/blockquote&gt;



Rosedale doesn&#039;t have an answer for whether or not he&#039;d hand someone over for, say, making fun of a country&#039;s ruler (which is why YouTube keeps getting blocked in places like Thailand)?

Imagine making fun of the Thai king inside Second Life (a real life crime), having your identity revealed to the Thai authorities and winding up in prison for 7.5 - 75 years, which is what the punishment is. And Linden Lab decides; with their decision likely influenced not by some sense of morality but by their business expansion plans.

That&#039;s hardly how I believe the 3D internet will evolve.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m with you. And it&#8217;s not like I don&#8217;t understand the difficult situation Linden Lab is in. But after reading stuff like this piece from  <a href="http://www.informationweek.com/blog/main/archives/2007/05/linden_lab_ceo.html">Information Week (Link)</a>, I can&#8217;t help but wonder if they have their act together:</p>
<blockquote><p>Does that extend to authoritarian regimes, I wondered. Second Life is an international service, with more than half of its users outside the United States. <strong>Would Linden Lab cooperate with an official directive from, for example, China, ordering the company to turn over information on residents who&#8217;d used Second Life for dissident action?</strong></p>
<p>It&#8217;s a decision Linden Lab will inevitably face if it achieves the kind of global penetration that it hopes to get.</p>
<p>Faced with the same decision, Yahoo decided to cooperate with China. U.S. lawmakers took Google, Yahoo, Cisco Systems, and Microsoft to task last year for complicity in aiding Chinese repression.</p>
<p>I asked what Linden Lab would do in that situation, and Rosedale thought about the question for a long time.</p>
<p>&#8220;<strong>Honestly, I don&#8217;t have an answer to that</strong>,&#8221; he said.</p></blockquote>
<p>Rosedale doesn&#8217;t have an answer for whether or not he&#8217;d hand someone over for, say, making fun of a country&#8217;s ruler (which is why YouTube keeps getting blocked in places like Thailand)?</p>
<p>Imagine making fun of the Thai king inside Second Life (a real life crime), having your identity revealed to the Thai authorities and winding up in prison for 7.5 &#8211; 75 years, which is what the punishment is. And Linden Lab decides; with their decision likely influenced not by some sense of morality but by their business expansion plans.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s hardly how I believe the 3D internet will evolve.</p>
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		<title>By: Momo Muni</title>
		<link>http://blog.rebang.com/?p=1290&#038;cpage=1#comment-4996</link>
		<dc:creator>Momo Muni</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Jun 2007 11:44:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was one of the protesters that made my voice heard in Livejournal&#039;s news section over and over again. It seems like issues of censorship are coming to the fore everywhere on the internet. What made LJ&#039;s stance unbearable was the fact that they were catering to a bunch of white supremacist nutters. These people had games on their websites called &#039;Shoot the Wetback&#039;. I kid you not. If LJ is bowing to the demands of these kind of people, there is something very wrong. I never believed in LL, I thought they were trying to supress people&#039;s opinions already by phasing out the forums. But I did believe that Livejournal wouldn&#039;t cave. I can understand why they did it. I am just displeased by how they went about doing it without even looking at the content of the LJ&#039;s they deleted to see if they had illegal material on them. Let the Disney-fication of the Internet begin. *sigh*</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was one of the protesters that made my voice heard in Livejournal&#8217;s news section over and over again. It seems like issues of censorship are coming to the fore everywhere on the internet. What made LJ&#8217;s stance unbearable was the fact that they were catering to a bunch of white supremacist nutters. These people had games on their websites called &#8216;Shoot the Wetback&#8217;. I kid you not. If LJ is bowing to the demands of these kind of people, there is something very wrong. I never believed in LL, I thought they were trying to supress people&#8217;s opinions already by phasing out the forums. But I did believe that Livejournal wouldn&#8217;t cave. I can understand why they did it. I am just displeased by how they went about doing it without even looking at the content of the LJ&#8217;s they deleted to see if they had illegal material on them. Let the Disney-fication of the Internet begin. *sigh*</p>
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