Multiple Moebius Personalities

Posted on Wednesday 27 September 2006

This morning I happened across an interesting though not unexpected bit of advertising (Link): a poster showing a Second Life avatar decked out in virtual clothing (the boots being the advertised item) but formatted as a comic book page.

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What’s interesting to me isn’t this particular mash up; there are more interesting things to come which I believe will really catch everyone’s attention. It wasn’t the use of videogame characters in comics; videogame screencaps converted to comic book pages has been around for a while. It didn’t even strike me as new that a real person could – as suggested by these images – create a “fictional” avatar/character, use that character in a different media format, fund that effort through embedded advertising (of virtual goods, no less) and eventually ship tangible goods. It doesn’t stop there. The character could also make its way largely intact into other media channels. I’d already considered that someone will eventually create a dedicated, virtual persona (inside Second Life, maybe) with the intent to manuever it into the so-called Real world and into the mainstream consciousness ala Indiana Jones and Darth Vader. I expect we’ll see an avatar persona not just marketing a tangible product, but acting as the product’s spokesperson within the next year or two (if there isn’t one already). Why not? We already have movie characters doing it.

No. What struck me is that this fictional persona, because it’s a front for a real person and a little like a muppet, could be comprised of one avatar and many real puppetmasters (which I’d already considered – reLink) in addition to being all these other things. You see, unlike a purely fictional movie character that might endorse a product, and unlike the actor who plays the role endorsing a product, an avatar is a unique mix of fiction and nonfiction. I guess my thinking about Grendel lately (wondering why media observers like Henry Jenkins don’t discuss that non-character character) and watching Boston Legal last night (a cross-dresser plotline raises issues of character identity), created a mental mash up of sorts and got me to thinking about the possibilities that arise from things like avatar-identity swapping and that sort of thing.

I suspect there is going to be a lot of mash up activity rippling through our lives. Some of them will be relatively straightforward, and some of them will have enough Moebius twists to confuse the hell out of all of us. What fun.

{Image Copyright © 2006 Jonny Dusk}

  1.  
    Larry
    9/28/2006 | 1:28 am
     

    some more similar stuff….

    interview about [my business] from todays SL INTHEGRID magazine….

    [ed - removed spam]

    actually weve used comics/animations/ etc like this since 1997:) so yes , we are in the age of online digital birthed IP.:)

    Really nice interview with me and [my partner] (Ron) about the
    [project] in Second Life.

    Also for those who didnt catch it, We launched the real 3d printed
    models page [ed - removed spam]

    Larry R

  2.  
    9/28/2006 | 4:22 am
     

    Mashup activity

    Rebang spotted a comic-strip style advert, featuring an avatar, for virtual boots, and remarks “I suspect there is going to be a lot of mashup activity rippling through our lives.”

  3.  
    9/28/2006 | 8:38 am
     

    You miss my point, Larry (assuming you read the entire thing). This isn’t about IP. It’s not about “comics/animations/etc like this”, but People and their behaviors. By “Moebius” I’m referring to the issue of where the so-called Real person transitions into the Created person… or, as indicated, when the Created person transitions into multiple Real people (if you didn’t, you should read the post to which I linked). That’s the ultimate mash up activity: people.

    Don’t let aggressive self promotion (bordering on spam) blind you to the other things going on.

  4.  
    Larry
    9/29/2006 | 4:27 pm
     

    yes i read the whole thing, but got the point by sentence 3.

    Reality is there are others who havent “just found a hook” – in avatars/ 3d virtual worlds hype/etc, and who have done this type of “mashing up” for decades in the mediated world.

    who is “Madonna” ? who was ” Ronald Reagan”?

    Its ALL about IP. and its control and manipulation.
    “they” call it the Q factor, and its worth its weight in Latinum Lindens….

    and btw…
    you miss my point.;) i promote my IP as the fair exchange for other of my IP …thus rebang “exists” as IP for others.
    the ultimate mashup? Peoples Thoughts..SEE?…
    the rest is just flesh mounds or pixel clutters…both as history shows us, not very long lasting.

    (spam=blogs)

    live by the blog… die by the…..

    if that wasnt already the faustian bargain you made:)

  5.  
    9/29/2006 | 5:29 pm
     

    I don’t believe you got the point… by sentence three or even now.

    I’m unaware of any character that can not just be controlled by multiple real individuals in the way a gold pharmer jumps in and out of a MMORPG character being shared at work, but is also a spokesperson who can then move into the real world both as the virtual construct and as the person controlling it at that point in time. This is more akin to the Grendel character to which I referred; more akin to being possessed than possessing. Madonna and Reagan are not anything like what I’m describing. They’re real people controlled by one person (actually, Bowie would have been a better example than either – but still not at all what I’m discussing here).

    One of the things I found remarkable about something Neil Gaiman once did (or was it Sienkiewicz), was taking a character rendered as a little girl in the beginning of the story and then swapping it out later for some old dude (or something like that). Same character, same voice, but not the same. In this case, they were both controlled by the creative team in the shadows. But what if those characters had real world endorsement contracts and didn’t just exist on the comic book page but in multiple media and channels – and then another creative team came along. And it wasn’t just the virtual characters you got, but the creative team because the two were symbiotic in an entirely different way – a merging of virtual and real. So a virtual character might be the same “voice” but the real “image” changed.

    What is that? How does it work? Could it work?

    “Madonna”. Give me a break.

    And I get your point – you’re selling yourself. I even saw your comment on C|Net directed to Mark Cuban. Again, selling yourself. You really need to get a spokesperson. I didn’t understand a word of what you said in that comment and I doubt Cuban would even get past the first sentence, let alone the third.

  6.  
    Larry
    9/30/2006 | 1:16 am
     

    no. im google raising my IP .
    and certianly the avatar i play at times online for the last decade [spam]- in or out of the newbie called Second Life, is exactly what you describe…thus the pick of that post to google raise the IP.

    And heavin forbid, what were you doing as you found the c/net piece. and since you google your blog status every day. why would you think mark wouldnt? and i never expected mark to reply….did you think i really would?

    and sorry if my examples predate or fall outside your insights…
    How little i believe you know about the creation of madonna or ronald reagan not to see they are the most important “muppets” in our time, and that bowie was just acting HIS characters for entertainment, but the others i named were not acting nor were they playing “thier” own characters…..but those created for them for much more “insidious” reasons.

    and all it really sounds like your decribing is any corporate character avatar- like the Burger king for example-, whos morphed from dwarf cartoon, to bigheaded mute etc. at the whim of each newly hired marketing team… over every media type, for every generation of burger eaters, and using every technology known to modern man for 30 years….. tranreality- ? lol we called it makin a buck back at Saatchi companies…

    how about sara lee? 60 years of that morphin babe…

    and which character do you think I am, cube3?
    the industrial designer, the blog gamer, the leader, the follower,
    the spammer, the ?

    Simulation seems to get your point.:)
    dont matter that i dont….

    just please keep blogging away in this subject area…

    3 times most usually a week- visitor and “user”

  7.  
    9/30/2006 | 11:09 am
     

    no. im google raising my IP .

    If by that you mean raising the value of your IP, I’d say those comments didn’t raise a thing.

    and certianly the avatar i play at times online for the last decade …. – in or out of the newbie called Second Life, is exactly what you describe

    No. It’s not. You don’t get it.

    And heavin forbid, what were you doing as you found the c/net piece.

    If you search this blog, you’ll find posts about Cuban. You’ll also find posts about YouTube and Revver and most media. And business. And copyright. And many references taken from C|Net. That story had all these things. Is it such a surprise I would read it? No.

    For anyone reading comments, here’s a link to the C|Net article: Mark Cuban: Only a ‘moron would buy YouTube

    And here’s the comment to which I’m referring: Emperor’s shown naked!- Download Video Here. The smiley faces alone are enough to make a person cringe.

    and since you google your blog status every day.

    I don’t bother. It should be apparent from the things I’ve done that I don’t concern myself with my “blog status”. If I did, I wouldn’t have cut feeds for all those months. Only reason I opened them up last month is that scrapers were doing it anyway and they’re becoming increasingly popular.

    and sorry if my examples predate or fall outside your insights

    They don’t “predate or fall outside” anything. They simply aren’t relevant.

    As for the Burger King mascot and Sara Lee, you’re still effectively offbase, it goes deeper than that. I’m not really surprised you don’t get it; your comments suggest to me that you have distinct ideas that aren’t especially flexible.

    And predate? How old do you assume me to be?

    3 times most usually a week- visitor and ‘user’

    As to the rest of your comment, don’t make the mistake of believing that sounding mysteriously cryptic eliminates sounding … well… stupid. That post on C|Net was definitely tending toward the latter.

  8.  
    Larry
    9/30/2006 | 4:31 pm
     

    BTW—FYI
    removing the URL (no spam) cant stop the point of the posting:)

    Youre still not getting it.-the c\net post- Simulations- etc….. Its not the hits on my site that matter, i dont have advertising banners / keywords etc…no revenue from that mechanism.

    So what am i “selling” to use your own words.?

    Whats been done has been done, the only thing you can do is remove feedback. But please dont, wouldnt let others chime in and wouldnt make sense for the reason you have this blog in the first place ( an assumption)

    This is the nature of the statistical web…. Googles got the text copied, the souless search engine will do the rest. As an industrial designer you should be proud of this man made mechanism.

  9.  
    Larry
    9/30/2006 | 4:20 pm
     

    As to your age – younger– and as to your experience with these issues —less.

    Add the fact you seem to just now be having the buisness week “copyright” issues and “promotional” blog website fame pangs to “promote yourself” and seem so “serious’ about it. This suggests to me you are a “newbie” to all this… I had these issues in the last decade. I dont expect much will really matter from any of these concerns….

    Again you dont get my point. Stupid Sounding….mmmm
    maybe that was the point of “Simulations” Post….but i didnt call anything you said was stupid sounding;) and it wouldnt have mattered to my point anyway. So i hope youre not calling “me” stupid. Simulations was the only post “other than my first that made any sense to me.

    Cryptic/Stupid/ Thought leading/ or just Re-hash, the content of this blog dosent matter, Its the Stats, its the Google Hits via keywords, the paths it creates for “others” beyond a self promoting one.;)

    You “suspect” mashups are going to be part of our lives… Open your eyes, youre now part of one.:)

    But as i said, The content you choose to blog about is of value, so i say keep it up. But I really dont think you get the the context of the new media, you choose to “talk in.”

    And for once and for all, all this avatar nonsense/ identity creating “newness” you seem to have just discovered goes back far into our past, to the Egyptian Pharoahs/ their Gods, and so much further back into human existance that its predates anyone blogging about it on parchment. So no, I guess i dont get it.:)

    Youre just too “smart” for me.:)

    “That’s the ultimate mash up activity: people.” – as I suggested-thats all been done before—So..

    what happens when we’re all gone and all that exists is the jibberash/crap weve left behind– Does that become part of another “ultimate ” mashup — or just a galactic blog..;)

  10.  
    9/30/2006 | 5:27 pm
     

    And Larry, note the changes to your first comment. Please keep all comments similarly neutered. Thank you.

  11.  
    9/30/2006 | 5:03 pm
     

    As to your age – younger

    Really? I’d guess we’re about the same age. So how old are you? It’s obviously important we all know so that we can give you credit for it.

    and as to your experience with these issues -less.

    “these issues”??? Would those be the limited issues you seem to straitjacket everything into or the broader issues I’m discussing? What exactly have you accomplished outside the narrow confines of internet 3D and games? I read your bio. It’s pretty one-dimensional from my perspective.

    Add the fact you seem to just now be having the buisness week “copyright” issues and “promotional” blog website fame pangs to “promote yourself” and seem so “serious” about it. This suggests to me you are a “newbie” to all this… I had these issues in the last decade. I dont expect much will really matter from any of these concerns

    Not a new issue at all. In fact, this issue has been on my mind since the last decade as well as I’ve previously said. The difference is that you seem to be stuck in only the immaterial “new media” world whereas I come from the world of tangible goods. That I still discuss this issue is only because it still is an issue. In fact, according to the interview you gave (again, looking to promote your company but which had no bearing on this discussion), you’re still wrestling with it as well. Oh wait. Why raise it if it’s a non-issue? Are you a “newbie” (quotes and all – ha).

    Again you dont get my point. Stupid Sounding….mmmm maybe that was the point of “Simulations” Post….but i didnt call anything you said was stupid sounding;) and it wouldnt have mattered to my point anyway. So i hope youre not calling “me” stupid. Simulations was the only post “other than my first that made any sense to me.

    I’m saying that if you’re going to come off as all-knowing, then you need to a) stop trying to spam your business as you tend to do at every opportunity and b) post comments that have coherent sentences. They give the appearance of being written by a rank amateur and since you’ve been around awhile that in and of itself makes no sense to me. Why would anyone post a poorly-written comment on C|Net full of smiley faces as if they were a kid? Rhetorical question. I don’t really know or care.

    Cryptic/Stupid/ Thought leading/ or just Re-hash, the content of this blog dosent matter, Its the Stats, its the Google Hits via keywords, the paths it creates for “others” beyond a self promoting one.

    It’s apparent that this is how you think. It’s not how I think. Hence, links to your site posted here will be removed from this point forward. Perhaps that will ensure that you post comments that are relevant instead of trying to find ways to insert your self-promoting verbage.

    You “suspect” mashups are going to be part of our lives… Open your eyes, youre now part of one.

    I’m saying it’s going to extend into areas we’ve not yet seen and manifest in ways that will surprise us. It’s now apparent you think you’ve seen it all, but I’m sufficiently humble that I expect to still be surprised.

    But as i said, The content you choose to blog about is of value, so i say keep it up. But I really dont think you get the the context of the new media, you choose to “talk in.”

    And I think you’re locked into the same ideas you had ten years ago. Even the term “new media” is badly dated. Very badly dated.

    And for once and for all, all this avatar nonsense/ identity creating “newness” you seem to have just discovered goes back far into our past, to the Egyptian Pharoahs/ their Gods, and so much further back into human existance that its predates anyone blogging about it on parchment. So no, I guess i dont get it.

    It does go into our past in some ways, which is why using Madonna and Reagan as examples is so ludicrous to me. But it goes beyond the Egyptians as well. So I agree, you don’t get it.

    Youre just too “smart” for me.

    Don’t mistake intelligence for a willingness to see beyond rigid ideas.

  12.  
    9/30/2006 | 5:23 pm
     

    removing the URL (no spam) cant stop the point of the posting

    If the point is to waste time, then you’re correct.

    Its not the hits on my site that matter, i dont have advertising banners / keywords etc…no revenue from that mechanism.

    I didn’t say it was the hits.

    So what am i “selling” to use your own words.?

    Your company. If not post as “Larry”, but no email and no homepage, and don’t refer to your business in any way. That works for me.

    for the reason you have this blog in the first place ( an assumption)

    A bad assumption. I do this because I have a journalism bug that extends back to my activities in the 70′s and 80′s. If no one were to ever comment or even visit, I’d still write.

  13.  
    larry(test)
    9/30/2006 | 7:42 pm
     

    my previous email was not accepted and thus erased after submit. this is a test. i may or may not rewrite.

    too bad ,you missed the punchline mr.bang

  14.  
    larry(test)
    9/30/2006 | 8:07 pm
     

    that post worked, so ill assume its not the censor i request below, such technical glitches create all sorts of conflicts when avatars are at play.
    Answers to your questions, although it proves you dont get my points.

    1. 42 professional designer since 16
    2. Pratt BID 1985- bauhaus trained and awarded by the best of them.
    3. Wrote, Published in ID, etc Lectured to thousands of Industrial Designer by 1992. Then decided to live in the present and create for the future.
    4. Rigid and One dimentional?–lol not ever called that before, but my avatars may be…..

    5. You stil dont get it, but maybe someone who actually uses SL
    and is younger than us will explain it to you.:)

    6. My original post was all it needed to be to serve its purpose, google rank [spam] meme, and allows others to experience and see another version of the articles truth, one betond your edit and now it seems your “getting”…. Hiro (btw in Buisnessweek last month-)is an avatar, so am i, and did you even notice the interview was given by a pretty young gal “reporter” named Jason?.. Come on mr Jounalist, dig deeper into the rabbbit hole.

    7. We’re no longer in ID land, i left in 1992. Your now in Oz and the wizard may not even be behind the curtains.

    How I write, and as whom i write are the points, and that none of that now matters IS the point.

    8. I was going to suggest you remove all my posts and just store them, itll make you feel better and maybe look at them in 10 years or so, they may be esaier to understand by then:)

    9. I do like dropping in and seeing what your dragging in to blog about and yes, theres very little of it that i find “new” Including sadly to say the fact that youre still not getting it. Your a literate man, truth is, youve been dead for over 20 years, me? im half dead.

    the other half has you completely beyond surprise and humble it appears.

    I had wished for more. Maybe itll come from your avatar

    larry- no avatar required
    this has been a test of the emergency blog system.

  15.  
    9/30/2006 | 9:41 pm
     

    1. You’re younger than I. So much for your assumption (though I’ll admit you do look older than I). Wrong again, Larry.

    2. Notre Dame and CIA as well as quite a bit of other professional engineering training and overseas experience. And that’s not even all of it.

    3. I’d personally not brag about writing for ID Magazine. While there were some articles of interest (I had a sub for about 12 years), I also found some to be … inbred. I’d venture yours were among them. Perhaps you could refer me to one. I still have quite a few issues on hand.

    4. Based on what you’ve provided, you still seem limited to me. What have you done outside of design and new media? Anything? Is your world limited to web3D?

    5. I’d say I “get” SL more than you. Look how long it took for you to grasp the obvious – that it’s a compelling product.

    6. I’m not just now “getting” what you’re doing; that’s another poor assumption. I allowed you to spam a little. Now, as you’ve become irritating and shown yourself to be unnecessarily arrogant (e.g. trying to suggest your age warrants special consideration and/or respect). That you assume I am just now “getting” it is yet another mistake. You seem to make a lot of mistakes. Must be youth.

    7. “Your now in Oz and the wizard may not even be behind the curtains.” – This is the kind of comment that comes from someone who thinks he has special insight and unquestioned wisdom on his side. I seriously doubt you’ve seen the things I’ve seen; done the variety of things I’ve done. Don’t rely on my Core portfolio page to tell you everything. There’s another career – another life – not listed.

    8. You’re easy enough to understand. You remind me of the typical designer – overly sure of yourself and what you think you know and unable to see outside of your niche (“web3D guru”).

    9. I wish I could say the same about your blog, but it’s rather pathetic. Apparently you don’t have anything to say that people care to hear or you’d hunt for Google ratings in your own back yard instead of being a parasite.

    As for “dead for over 20 years”, I get the feeling when you write this crap you feel smart. I can see it in the photograph of you. I bet you have a sports jacket with leather pads on the elbow and a pipe, don’t you? hahaha. 42. What a pretentious joke you are. Do you even have any industrial design work you can show? something to impress me with? Please. Give me some reason to afford you some small measure of respect.

  16.  
    Larry
    10/1/2006 | 12:41 am
     

    What a sucker you seem to be: or is this your blog avatar who wrote the last reply and if so, maybe you do “get” it. I may have been wrong;)

    But “if” I’m not….

    I never asked for your real bio/age or credentials. Frankly as stated, none of that mattered to my points on whats been happening here, only that what you “wrote” and what you “undertood” seem to be at clear odds to me.

    Youve gone from not understanding other’s ideas in areas that you say youre knowledgeble in to attacking a single photo you know nothing about and a person whose career you also seem to know nothing about. (But seem to be now impersonating now 10 years after the fact).

    I have no desire to impress you or earn your respect. In fact after your last posting, with it’s personal attacks and utter ignorance i’ll just let you “post” yourself for what you are.
    Who is the pretentious JOKE ? Let others decide.

    Where you have gone so easily on a blog -that I find pathetic

    Respect?— on a blog? How much you have to get about your own blogs masthead:

    “virtual design. transreality technologies. mixed reality convergence ”

    -where did you copy/paste that from? Wired? Cnet?

    Those who do- do, those who cant-blog. Has this become the future punchline to a bad office water cooler joke?

    Clearly now youve opened the public door to your attempts at relevancy in a world you really cleary dont understand anymore.

    Worse, you go ahead and attack the ” avatars” you dont even know and in such petty ways.

    Clearly you havent done any “jounalistic” homework on me or the subjects you blog about.

    I was attempting to clear up the issues of avatars/ blogs/interviews with avatars/ content-context/ and online technology, and issues your masthead pretends to suggest will be discussed here.

    All your assumptions about the real me are wrong, youve been duped. But sadly not by me, by your own prejudices and lack of knowledge.

    Now i please request you leave these posts online, since youve taken them to personal attacks on the ‘real” me. You crossed the line to a place online that shouldnt surprise or humble you. The old flame war. How advanced over me you are. I now get my reply. How transreal !

    You started this “dialog” by suggesting that self promotion and posting had made me “blind” to more important things going on.

    I left what i thought would be “one” follow up post suggesting that was not true, and suggesting your own postings and the reality they create may be part of this “new” networked system of content and context, and whats really going on due to it.

    To this blogs “typical designer” reader’s, whose been shown as “blind” ?

    In the end, it seems you still dont get anything about what you’re blogging about. But it now appears you may now know that, or did you already – CIA eh?

    Attack and assume away. I wont go there, that so BBS 1987.

    Nothing more to be said by me and it seems that you may have said too much:)

    Delete it all if you like, one google listing is easy to achieve.
    Respect the fact that this choice is yours, and that Ive offered it.

  17.  
    10/1/2006 | 10:59 am
     

    I may have been wrong

    You were wrong. You assumed something that was incorrect. You based your “I know and you don’t” position/attitude on a belief that a) you were older and wiser and b) that your experience within one area qualifies you above someone about whose experience you have no clue; not in the past and not now.

    I never asked for your real bio/age or credentials.

    Your mistake.

    Frankly as stated, none of that mattered to my points on whats been happening here, only that what you “wrote” and what you “undertood” seem to be at clear odds to me.

    Actually, you made it clear that it did matter because you raised it in an attempt to belittle my thoughts and words on a subject you claimed to have so much experience with. Just because things “seem” to be at “clear odds” does not mean that they are.

    Youve gone from not understanding other’s ideas in areas that you say youre knowledgeble in to attacking a single photo you know nothing about and a person whose career you also seem to know nothing about.

    No. I attacked your condescending attitude and said that I could see how that attitude would fit the photograph I saw. There is a smugness in you I find distasteful.

    (But seem to be now impersonating now 10 years after the fact).

    And here you imply anyone would bother to want to be you “10 years after the fact”. Impersonate??? How arrogant. I was traveling foreign countries and attending high-level political functions as a professional while you were sitting in Pratt building your ego.

    I have no desire to impress you or earn your respect.

    Then show us something you did while an industrial designer for the sake of proving me wrong in my suspician that you most likely didn’t do anything of which to be proud. That you most likely left ID because you weren’t especially good at it and that you were better at “new media” which did not impose the restrictions of industrial manufacturing. I have no problem being proven incorrect, and here’s an opportunity to impress everyone – an open invitation.

    In fact after your last posting, with it’s personal attacks and utter ignorance i’ll just let you “post” yourself for what you are.

    Happy to show people that I don’t genuflect to anyone. Not to those who claim superior age. Not to those who claim superior experience. Suggesting I am lacking was, in fact, the first personal attack… and it belongs to you.

    Who is the pretentious JOKE ? Let others decide.

    I suspect they already have.

    Where you have gone so easily on a blog -that I find pathetic

    I didn’t ask you to post a comment, or any of the follow-on comments. You did that all on your own; apparently an effort to show your superiority. This could have been a simple back-and-forth discussion. You turned it personal with this comment:

    “and sorry if my examples predate or fall outside your insights”

    Remember those words, Larry? That comes from smug arrogance of the kind I especially detest and find most pathetic. There’s nothing much worse than having someone use that line when speaking with someone about whom they know essentially nothing.

    Respect?” on a blog? How much you have to get about your own blogs masthead:

    Less than you obviously.

    “virtual design. transreality technologies. mixed reality convergence “ -where did you copy/paste that from? Wired? Cnet?

    Just the things I consider when I post my entries. Implying I copied and pasted is yet another attempt to belittle. It’s a game everyone knows, Larry. It’s transparent. At least I’m straightforward and honest here.

    Those who do- do, those who cant-blog. Has this become the future punchline to a bad office water cooler joke?

    Are you suggesting I’m not doing anything in the area outside of Industrial Design??? If only you knew. Sometimes it’s the gaps that inform, Larry. But Of course you don’t know how that works because you obviously think you know everything. But all I see is more arrogance based on poor assumptions. The implication that you’re working in the “new media”, online 3D field and I’m not is a mistake. Another mistake, Larry.

    Clearly now youve opened the public door to your attempts at relevancy in a world you really cleary dont understand anymore.

    I make no attempts at relevancy. By my own actions in cutting feeds I demonstrated a total lack of concern for relevancy. You, on the other hand, are posting your pathetic comments from here to C|Net in hopes of gaining relevancy and “google IP”. You should look in the mirror, Larry. After all this time trying to get your IP to take off, it hasn’t. You’ve done some things that are unique and forward-reaching, I’ll grant you that. But it’s not necessarily the first effort that is successful. I’d suggest you take another look at your “baby” and re-evaluate it. It’s an idea born ten years ago. Doubtlessly it could use some rethinking as it doesn’t seem to be taking the world – real or virtual – by storm.

    Worse, you go ahead and attack the “ avatars” you dont even know and in such petty ways.

    Words taken right out of my mouth. There’s little that’s more petty than smugly saying “my examples predate or fall outside your insights”. How pompous.

    Clearly you havent done any “jounalistic” homework on me or the subjects you blog about.

    Oh. Clearly, Larry. Clearly.

    I was attempting to clear up the issues of avatars/ blogs/interviews with avatars/ content-context/ and online technology, and issues your masthead pretends to suggest will be discussed here.

    Exactly. You were “attempting to clear up the issues” as if you had all the answers. You entered into this with the intent of talking AT, not discussing WITH. Hence my responses. The mirror, Larry. Look at the mirror.

    All your assumptions about the real me are wrong, youve been duped. But sadly not by me, by your own prejudices and lack of knowledge.

    What prejudices? I had none. Everything that’s informed my current opinion of you is based in the comments you’ve left on this blog. If not for the research I’ve done, you’d have no redeeming qualities in my mind.

    Now i please request you leave these posts online, since youve taken them to personal attacks on the “real” me.

    But Larry, who IS the ‘real’ you?

    You crossed the line to a place online that shouldnt surprise or humble you. The old flame war. How advanced over me you are. I now get my reply. How transreal !

    The mirror, Larry. “my examples predate or fall outside your insights”.

    You started this “dialog” by suggesting that self promotion and posting had made me “blind” to more important things going on.

    Exactly. “suggesting”. I didn’t say they had. You on the other hand – “my examples predate or fall outside your insights” – make several effectively factual claims about me when you know little or nothing about me.

    In the end, it seems you still dont get anything about what you’re blogging about. But it now appears you may now know that, or did you already – CIA eh?

    Perhaps I don’t. But I won’t casually pull the I’m-more-experienced-than-thou attitude in the way you did.

    Attack and assume away. I wont go there, that so BBS 1987.

    Larry, I was using the early internet most likely before you got through your first year at Pratt. I was coding aerospace programs and deriving the kinds of math that you will very likely never comprehend. Using a line like “that so BBS 1987″ to attempt to establish some subtle authority over someone like me isn’t going to work. I was playing with the Tomahawk cruise missile FCS before you graduated from Pratt. You’re little attempts to establish your authority just make you look even more the fool.

    Nothing more to be said by me and it seems that you may have said too much.

    I could point out your arrogance all day; calling out someone’s pompous comments is never too much.

    Delete it all if you like, one google listing is easy to achieve. Respect the fact that this choice is yours, and that Ive offered it.

    Chase that google IP, Larry. Chase it. Maybe it’ll make a difference.

    Goodbye, Larry. Don’t bother posting again. While never too much, pointing out a neverending stream of pomposity does become tiresome. And while I was somewhat okay with allowing you to spam here, I think it’s best you now found other worthless blogs on which to peddle your wares.

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